Jewel Finished With Atlantic

[Little Bird]

I saw this on Jewel's Street team message board and thought it was worth sharing.


LYORNIA, PT. III: The latest evidence of instability at Warner Music's East Coast operation is Jewel's decision to leave Atlantic following one more album. The word from inside is that WMG could have signed her to a new deal in Burbank but decided against another black eye for their East Coast punching bag. Jewel and manager Irving Azoff see a hip-hop/R&B-focused company emerging at Atlantic and don?t believe that the current team knows how to handle a Jewel-type act?a clear-cut vote of no confidence in the label. (1/11a)

from HitsDailyDouble.com

[kjm030584]

this doesn't surprise me, I noticed that Atlantic was going down hill about a year ago.

[JThisWay620]

As long as Jewel and Ryan Cabrera are ok after Atlantic then it's all good to me!!!

[WhatWouldJewelDo]

ATLANTIC RECORDS BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME!


This is what i see going on at Atlantic....


THEY MANIPULATE THEIR ARTISTS LIKE JEWEL AND TORI AMOS AND RYAN CABRERA AND MISSY ELLIOT, EVEN.

They spend ALL of their money on promoting new acts, and promote as little as possible as they are contractually obligated on older acts. When Jewel came out, they spent all their money promoting her, then, once everyone realized that "Spirit" was one of the most disappointing sophomore records ever (next to Alanis' Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie-- even tho that was her fourth album) they kinda just got over Jewel and started promoting newer acts. They try to diminish an artists career as much as possible so that by the time they get out of their contract the artists dont have their career (or fame) left.

They did it to Tori about after "Under The Pink" and they are doing it to Jewel, too.

They see that these artists are not staying mainstream enough and they dont want to spend money trying to promote them, so they just promote as little as they contractually have to.




CMON, lets face it, Jewel is definatly not mainstream anymore.... she's not really that famous anymore either... and i think that its all because of Atlantic Records.

[michaelsjewel]

spirit was a failure? well if they were trying to sell as much or even more than POY - i guess so - but if u look @ the sales -

it's sold more than mariah's newest album - 7 million records isn't bad @ all - it's a commercial success - considering the only hit from SPIRIT that was a hit hit was a song named HANDS _that means that it's a phenomenal success based on just one song - at least that's my opinion

[WhatWouldJewelDo]

yeah, but Spirit only got certified for 4 million... i heard that Spirit sold like 5 million worldwide....

whats your source?


well... by 'failure' i mean that it got really bad reviews.

[michaelsjewel]

that's 7 million worldwide -

r*phillipines i believe posted the stats for album statistics -

spirit got bad reviews? what's your source? lol

no offense but the reviews i read of spirit were pretty good - even some titling it JEWEL WILL SAVE YOUR SOUL for the millenium -

if anyone's got a pathetic sophomore album (US) - it truly was alanis morissette - compared to her orignal cd that is -

at least spirit showed GROWING AND more professional atmosphere than POY - alanis' sophomore was tacky - but i do confess - i still like the cd - or at least did...hahaha

4 million - 7 million - either number is quite a success by musical standards - especially when u look @ record sales today - you're lucky if u break 4 million to be stupendously successful!

[WhatWouldJewelDo]

well i think that the only reason that you would be lucky to ssell 4 Million today is because of all the piracy, which was a little less common in 1998.

Well, i think that i put it harshly saying 'failure'.


I think i messed up explaining it the first time...

Think about this, when Spirit and Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie were released, they both got fairly good reviews... but once This Way and Under Rug Swept were released everyone (except diehard fans, which is pretty much everyone on this forum) kinda realized that Spirit and SFIJ were a step sideway (as opposed to a step forward) from their predecessors.

I used wrong wording when I said failure, but I was typing fast and that was the first word that popped into my mind.

But i think that in order to really realize what my original post said, you cant look at it from a diehard Jewel fan position.

So basically, when Atlantic records realized that Spirit could only produce one hit (which is all Atlantic wants, hits) they kinda just got over Jewel.


AND... i hope R*Phillipines is reading this topic because i would like to know his source for Spirit selling 7 million worldwide.

I read in a review in, i beleive it was Entertainment Weekly, that Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie sold 8 Milion worldwide, and i recall seeing somewhere that Spirit sold a few million less than that.

[michaelsjewel]

it's interesting how u consider it a step aside - they thought of it then - but now looking @ 0304 - they consider spirit the BEST direction misled by this way's dance single, serve the ego that led to 0304 - don't get me wrong - i love 0304

this way was the wrong direction - literally - the wrong way - lol - b/c it had no hit - standing still did worse than intuition -

i think jewel trying to appeal to those of the POY days is more of a sell-out way of dealing with her career than exploring new horizons -

jewel liked spirit - but she thought it was too serious - yah - i think spirit did go a little out of the way -

the problem with spirit was its overwhelming amount of holiness added in all of a sudden - what i got from this was - jewel originally went in the career to inspire people and get her word out - after POY - everyone was listening - so then she released spirit - and all of it is supposed to be INSPIRATIONAL - hence why it's called .....SPIRIT

you're forgetting one important part of atlantic promotion - that being they only really promote the first single - even for newer artists -

at about the time of spirit - along came radio business's biggest scam ever - and still goes on today - having to pay radio to play your music - atlantic still is poor about promoting - and jewel fell the min. down so long was introduced -

i'm not sure where it was mentioned that spirit was 7 million - but i did come across it recently - POY also sold more than 11 million if i remember correctly -

they stopped releasing information about spirits platinum success @ 4 million the time down so long was released - quite interesting - but that's only 3 months after spirits release - i'm sure it sold a lot more than that -

[kjm030584]

that's wierd... This Way is mine and my friends favorite Jewel CD. :P

[WhatWouldJewelDo]

Most reviews i read (like Entertainment Weekly and All Music Guide) say that Spirit wasnt really a step forward... This Way is considered a step forward from POY becuase it finds Jewel experimenting with more genres of music, and more writing styles... while spirit focused on typically 1 or 2 genres of music and all the writing was approached from an "inspirational" standpoint.

Don't get me wrong, i love Spirit, but we all (as in her diehard fans) can understand Spirit better than casual listeners... and This Way is a record most likely to appeal to a non-Jewel fan, which is why I reccomend it to non-Jewel fans looking to listen to some of her music.

bringing back my analogy to Alanis Morissete... Supposed Former is considered my Alanis' diehards her best record, but from looking at it from a non-diehard fan.. SFIJ isnt considered a good record.

im trying to explain it from a non-diehard position.

if you like spirit, then you like spirit, I'm not challenging that spirit is a horrible record, im just saying that it is considered by many people a step sideways from POY... which IMO, it is.

BUT ANYWAYS... your making me go off topic...


basicallly, I HATE ATLANTIC RECORDS AND THEY SCREW OVER THEIR ARTISTS/

:)

[michaelsjewel]

step away from POY - it should be - b/c it shouldn't be just like POY - that'd be boring! lol - that's what i'm getting @

i actually did like alanis' supposed cd the best - the rest were um - bad - the first one was ok - but the 2nd 2 - under rug swept a few songs were good - but the last one - terrible! - i think alanis' career is literally over -

this way is likely to appeal to non-jewel fans - IN YOUR OPINION _ i remember reading worse buyer reviews on websites on this way than spirit - saying the cd was literally boring and annoying to listen to - lol - i thought it was funny - but it does make sense - the music is pretty much all the same on that cd - except 2 songs which were country-like -

even non-die hard fans loved spirit - they bought it for hands and loved the cd - that's the least i can say for POY - which if u read reviews - people were pissed that the singles - weren't on the cd the same - making buying POY - pointless considering WWSYS was the only non-remix - and FOOLISH GAMES being her number one song - yah - that'd piss me off 2

i think all record companies screw over their artists - they use the artists fame to get rich -

[yak]

Atlantic is also the label of The Corrs who are also about to leave Atlantic. Their career began with some songs like Runaway or Only when I sleep in their three first albums. Then Atlantic gave them a new producer (Mutt Lange, husband of Shania Twain) and they did the album In blue. For me, this album was completely different from all the mix of tradition and pop they had done before. Like 0304 disappointed me after the wonderful This way which is my favorite Jewel album. Even In blue was a great success, it was also a deception for the previous albums' fans. They did two more albums which were better, but the next tour won't be done with Atlantic.

I have the impression that Atlantic stopped to give respect to their artists, and oblige them to do a kind of music which may be more popular but sounds wrong for the fans. They are rather a business company than an artistic. They are led by marketting thinking and forget what kind of artist are behind the music.

That's scaring me because the end of a contract also means the necessity of finding a new label. I hope it will be done quickly.

PS: I hope my English is not too bad :S

[bluediamond]

So....Jewels pulled the pug on ATLANTIC
:lmao:

Its ok though because now we can walk to America :-)

:lalala:
dave

[michaelsjewel]

lol that's a lot of water to drain - may take decades - lol -

yah - record companies i think are all about business and nothing else - maybe jewel should do what madonna did - start your own record company - (maverick)-which hosts alanis morissette none-theless

jewel is still popular enough that it'd be stupid for a record company not to snatch her up - though if anything tells me about tori amos - first album with epic (scarlet's walk) - then i wouldn't be surprised if the first album with a record company has to be more HIT-like than everbefore to make the record company happy - that's what i think about scarlet's walk - but i do love the album the best anyhow - and it's her biggest hit for singles wise (a sorta fairytale) -

will jewel be forced to do another 0304? - lol - well i wouldn't mind it - jewel liked it - and defended 0304 and did it on her own - BRING IT ON :)

[Little Bird]

It wouldn't surprise me if she gets snapped up by record labels more focused on Country style music though I am not worried whatever label she goes with coz I think she'll get snapped up by another label really quickly.

[kjm030584]

I despise country... I mean a little country influence is okay... but the twangy stuff can really be bad. Just think of Carrie Underwood :shudder:

[lordassmonkey]

I am all for the idea that Jewel starts her own record label. Maybe we will see more then 3 years between albums this way.,
Hopefully whatever label she goes with were seeing an album like every year instead of once every decade or what it feels like to me lol.

[Lissa]

Originally posted by WhatWouldJewelDo@Jan 19 2006, 01:33 AM
ATLANTIC RECORDS BUGS THE HELL OUT OF ME!


This is what i see going on at Atlantic....


THEY MANIPULATE THEIR ARTISTS LIKE JEWEL AND TORI AMOS AND RYAN CABRERA AND MISSY ELLIOT, EVEN.

They spend ALL of their money on promoting new acts, and promote as little as possible as they are contractually obligated on older acts. When Jewel came out, they spent all their money promoting her, then, once everyone realized that "Spirit" was one of the most disappointing sophomore records ever (next to Alanis' Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie-- even tho that was her fourth album) they kinda just got over Jewel and started promoting newer acts. They try to diminish an artists career as much as possible so that by the time they get out of their contract the artists dont have their career (or fame) left.

They did it to Tori about after "Under The Pink" and they are doing it to Jewel, too.

They see that these artists are not staying mainstream enough and they dont want to spend money trying to promote them, so they just promote as little as they contractually have to.




CMON, lets face it, Jewel is definatly not mainstream anymore.... she's not really that famous anymore either... and i think that its all because of Atlantic Records.
The only thing mainstream about Jewel was the last flop she put out.

Spirit is my favorite album.

[Lissa]

Originally posted by lordassmonkey@Jan 23 2006, 06:13 PM
I am all for the idea that Jewel starts her own record label. Maybe we will see more then 3 years between albums this way.,
Hopefully whatever label she goes with were seeing an album like every year instead of once every decade or what it feels like to me lol.
I'm very surprised she didn't start her own label 2 albums ago.

[michaelsjewel]

i'm supposing it's very expensive to start your own record label - but i could be wrong - basically i think she'd have to pretty much know she has a hit and would sell millions for it to become profitable...

[lordassmonkey]

I think she could easily have her own label she can call it like Anti-Atlantic Records you know and steal all the other artists they treat like dirt

[videopro]

fyi - she had a contract. The upcoming album fulfills that pact. No skullduggery.

[Little Bird]

Yes it's probably worth mentioning that this was going to be her final album on this contract anyway. She is simply not renewing her contract with Atlantic.

But Jewel is a huge talent and very proactive and resilient, she'll be fine.