Jewel's Extraordinary Australian Success

[Intrepid Prez]

Fellow Kilcherians

Jewel is more successful in Australia than in American !!!

Yep... check out the figures... it's TRUE !!!

Here, see for yourselves:
http://geocities.com/jewel_australia/ASPCJ.htm

And yeah, Kiera & Dave...

With your moderator SUPER-POWERS can you please
inform Jewel's PR machine I'll be ready to start early next month. :)


Easy... ;)

...

(Actually this post was edited on Feb 24 2005, 03:33 PM ... this forum exists in Australia's past)

[michaelsjewel]

well...if you count per capita...but knowing some regions of the country are into different trends, especially the US Because we have a greater wide range of trends available at our fingertips, it's not suprising to know that australia would more than likely rival us per capita....there's too much competition here.... and, with that said, certain areas prefer stuff more than others... most of australia's population lies along the coasts, and mainly on the east coasts....with that said.... their bound to all like the same thing. (yet another whimsicial answer to further disprove the situation... though not really disproving it, but proving that not many artists in the US have sold way more than jewel has here....so that rule per capita pretty much would include all of who is popular in australia, and not just jewel. Not only should jewel's management focus on australia, so should all record labels! - though, without the american fan base, there wouldn't have been a JEWEL at all... )


i would like to comment on your little snippet of browser compatability on the bottom of that page......congrats to pointing out the true browser. my site has troubles with firefox or mozilla...and now netscape since netscape decided to make a new browser based on mozilla...big mistake that was.....i read an article somewhere that those browswers have just as many holes as IE had, but there's not enough people using them to figure that out. in fact, one big hole that i heard is still not resolved is the one where it can take over the whole ENTIRE SYSTEM...something i don't even think i've heard of when it came to IE's faults. Now considering that with the fact that IE has fixed most of its problems, including the new pop up blocker already into winxp sp2, then what's the point!!!! since the dumb browswers don't work with all sites, and i would say that most wouldn't know unless they came across a site like that, but it was stated in an article of a PC MAGAZINE That mozilla and firefox have compatability issues that still haven't been resolved with all sites. i'm not surprised though how probably the ones voting to remove the background audio from my site are the ones that cannot even hear it thanks to that dumb browser, even though it's fairly simple code. once microsoft releases the next IE, and b/c it's taking so long for the new version, i'm sure it'll be a killer, then we'll see who's going to succeed here.

[MrCC]

Hey you asked me for my research this afternoon. You said my deadline was before I go to bed, you hopeless web slave-driver. I HAVEN'T GONE TO BED YET! I just sent you my research and you've moved up the deadline. If you're going to ridicule me in public at least get the facts straight. :o

And another thing I sent you the up to the minute US population http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/popclock, but you didn't use it! Hey, I can't help it if you can't recognize good research when you see it. Eat some carrots or better yet maybe you should put down the Playboy magazine and let go of whatever else you are holding and maybe your eyesight might come back. ;)

The US population as of today is 295 million people with better vision that the average Australian Webmaster.

Large text added so you can read it. :blink:

Well I better go before I go over my smilie quota. Later.

[MrCC]

And another thing ... that page looks just as lacking in Firefox as it does in IE at 1024 x 768. :P ;) :shock:

[Little Bird]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Feb 24 2005, 03:45 AM

(Actually this post was edited on Feb 24 2005, 03:33 PM ... this forum exists in Australia's past)
Then you need to change the time and date settings in your contraol panel called 'My Controls' then into 'Board Settings'

[MrCC]

Originally posted by michaelsjewel@Feb 23 2005, 10:13 PM

i would like to comment on your little snippet of browser compatability on the bottom of that page......congrats to pointing out the true browser. my site has troubles with firefox or mozilla...and now netscape since netscape decided to make a new browser based on mozilla...big mistake that was.....i read an article somewhere that those browswers have just as many holes as IE had, but there's not enough people using them to figure that out. in fact, one big hole that i heard is still not resolved is the one where it can take over the whole ENTIRE SYSTEM...something i don't even think i've heard of when it came to IE's faults. Now considering that with the fact that IE has fixed most of its problems, including the new pop up blocker already into winxp sp2, then what's the point!!!! since the dumb browswers don't work with all sites, and i would say that most wouldn't know unless they came across a site like that, but it was stated in an article of a PC MAGAZINE That mozilla and firefox have compatability issues that still haven't been resolved with all sites. i'm not surprised though how probably the ones voting to remove the background audio from my site are the ones that cannot even hear it thanks to that dumb browser, even though it's fairly simple code. once microsoft releases the next IE, and b/c it's taking so long for the new version, i'm sure it'll be a killer, then we'll see who's going to succeed here.
Hey, what's wrong with trying to take a little money away from Bill Gates? He's too big for his own good. Remember when a browser was a separate program from your OS? Then Microsoft bundled the browser as part of their OS and cornered the market. It's time to change all that. On average Microsoft makes badly written software. It's time to give somebody else a try. It's bad for one company to own almost 100% market share of any product. Ever wonder why it costs over $200 for a retail boxed version of Windows XP Pro or over $400 for an Office suite? It's because they have cornered the market on OS's and then raised the price. Microsoft's marketing tactics are ruthless. When Windows first came out the price was $100 and it was just a bad copycat of Apple's OS. Then they dropped the price and started forcing computer makers to use their OS and practically gave it away until there were almost no competition. Well we're all paying for their monopoly now.

Support market diversity by downloading Foxfire or Mozilla at Mozilla.org (http://www.mozilla.org/)! Sure it does not work for every site, but having no pop-ups at all is awesome! No pop-ups period. If it wasn't for Mozilla's small competition Microsft might never have added any pop-up blocking.

[Little Bird]

Feel Free to open a topic on this in the Abyss. It is definitely one I would get involved in but this is currently off-topic.

[MrCC]

Done. New topic created.

Back to the original topic. Congrats to Jewel for her Australian success. I wish her contiued Australian success. The ASPCJ has done it's work in preventing cruelty to Jewel down under...and I'm not talking about Jewel's down underwear. So don't even go there. :P

[folderol and]

That is a really interesting find, Justin (but then your ego took course...I mean, yeah, your website could possibly be the reason for Jewel's success in Australia, but where is THAT proof? :P Oh well, congrats anyway). Your site could possibly have minutely contributed to Jewel's Australian success, but maybe Jewel's Australian tour also did. ;)

\ david

[Intrepid Prez]

Err Mike... you still haven't got the total American statz...
You gave me 12 million at first... then an ambiguous 25 milllion (worldwide).

So, more public humiliation I'm afraid... you're back to 'Walking Zombie' status. :rolleyes:

So, also in large print...

I need the total of Jewel's American CDs (albums plus singles).

Coz... I think this latest page is the ASPCJ biggest mistake...

and it's all YOUR fault !!! coz I went with 12 million.

I've already got 4 emails telling me that per capita Jewel is still more
popular in the USA... each email quoting different figures.

I should never have done it...I broke the ASPCJ's sacred rule:
'Don't f*** about with statz ever again... its sure to invite the Devil.' lol :D

Your site could possibly have minutely contributed to Jewel's Australian success, but maybe Jewel's Australian tour also did.(Dave)

And where did Australian fans get to hear about Jewel's tour ??? Not from
jeweljk.com.... we were providing them with the detail !!!. :o :D
The ASPCJ was the only website where all the data was available at one site.
In fact, I used that old page as a template for the new page... check it out:

http://geocities.com/jewel_australia/index_Atlantic.html

And to dare suggest that the absolutely astonishingly intrepid prezident has
an ego problem. Well... most ordinary people don't seem to understand that...
PERFECTION is such a difficult attribute to camouflage. :P ;)


Easy... ;)

[folderol and]

Well, that's an informative page. And after all that bashing you gave me, I have no choice but to believe that you did provide all the info for Jewel's Australian tour (I don't really remember JeweLink nor your site providing the info...but your site seems a more believable premise, considering the disasterous state of Jewel's official website, and all of the other things your site claims to have had first (http://geocities.com/jewel_australia/ASPCJ_track_record.html)). ;)

And I definitely agree with you on the whole 0304-pop-garbage thing. Rock on the three preceding albums! :D

[Intrepid Prez]

Yeah... I know you at least appreciate, Dave...

The ASPCJ is basicly a bunch of absurd fun, but sadly, sometimes the more absurd
we get the more seriously some people take the site and get offended.

But we've always taken great care with site presentation and promotional stuff.
The ASPCJ is proud to say we've had many 'firsts/exclusive' mainly due to a
close relationship with the Australian press/TV/radio, and yeah, with Atlantic Australia.

It's true, the ASPCJ was providing info of Jewel's last Oz tour (plus Australian
CD tracklists/bonus trax/tour dates/venues/ticket prices/supporting acts/etc.)
to jeweljk.com (via the forum) as most fans know that since Mr BB left,
Kilcherians have been starved of reliable info.

We've never staked wild claims to anything... rarely did the ASPCJ publish any
serious news/exclusives/scoops/statz without the info being backed by at least
two seperate sources, or... confirmed by Warner/Atlantic Australia.

Our main problem was (and still is) balance... althought the ASPCJ was never
meant to be a 'Shrine to Jewel' (all but one person ever involved really is
a Jewel fan) we still always wanted some well written, positive stuff included...
and hardly anyone believes that.

There you go... a brief summary of the ASPCJ. :)


Easy... ;)

[michaelsjewel]

wow...someone's mad.....

you really want to know some stats....check out my discography page...that should sum them up for you.....now look @ the actuality and you'll see AMERICAN STATS..... and in america..... platinum means 1,000,000 (one million) and gold means 500,000 (or 500 grand).... hope that helps

http://www.michaelsjewel.com/discography.html
:lovejkf:

sorry i don't have any single stats for you, but figuring that jupiter sold lots, so did the dance remix cd's...and POY's singles and spirit's HANDS.... let's just say 3-5 million.... that's my wild guess as especially during POY singles sold big time

[Intrepid Prez]

jupiter sold lots...
so did the dance remix cd's...
let's just say...
that's my wild guess... (Michael)

Great stuff Michael...
I can REALLY use that. :rolleyes:

I might as well stick with the incompetent Walking Zombie Mr CC...
at least he actually provided numbers.(as useless as they were) :D

Go Mike. :clapjoy:

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[Angel_Eyes]

Yeah, no offense Michael, but the numbers on your page don't seem to be very accurate. Like POY, do you really think it'd be between 13-17x platinum by now? I'm not being mean, but I suggest that you not guess at the numbers if you don't know for a fact what they are.

[MrCC]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Feb 24 2005, 09:36 PM
jupiter sold lots...
so did the dance remix cd's...
let's just say...
that's my wild guess... (Michael)

Great stuff Michael...
I can REALLY use that. :rolleyes:

I might as well stick with the incompetent Walking Zombie Mr CC...
at least he actually provided numbers.(as useless as they were) :D

Go Mike. :clapjoy:

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Hey, I warned you to check my numbers. I've NEVER followed the charts. If I hear a song played too often I get tired of it fast. And I may be incompetent, but at least I'm not intrepid. :P I could never be that. ;)

I say 0304 has NOT gone platinum in the US, ie has sold less than 1 million. Anybody dispute that? I'm very curious of anybody knows. Sure they say it went gold in one month, but that's not hard to do for someone who has sold 25 million CD's worldwide per Jewel's official website. To sell half a million CD's in the US is impressive, but like it or not 0304 is only moderately successful in my view.

Like I told you Justin the record companies don't publish hard numbers unless it makes them look good. Anybody out there subscribe to Billboard? I'm not willing to pay them $150 just to read their charts.

[michaelsjewel]

the actuality numbers are only referenced to what i heard from other sources....the certification numbers are still there as well! that's what i also wanted him to look @ - that certification is what they use for the 25 million records worldwide, even though we all know it's more ...they just don't really find it necessary to declare something more platinum like spirit when they aren't really promoting it. and we all know how well they promoted this way and 0304, who knows what they really are @ now.....

by the way...i'll change the actuality remarks to RUMORs soon or something :rolleyes: since you aren't going to believe me.... i've heard somewhere that spirit was near 7x...that's what i can definitely remember. i was putting a question mark behind the POY one b/c it was an estimate.... it's probably near 13 million...they still promote the hell out of that album b/c it was a big seller and still is...and if that's true that they overshipped...well....they want to move more...there u go! does that help to clarify my intentions?

[MrCC]

Michael:

I'm glad I'm not the only one having trouble finding accurate information.

At least we're all in the dark together, but you people need to stop hogging all the covers. :P :o

[michaelsjewel]

but it's cold if i don't hog the covers! :mooner: :muhaha: :clapjoy:

[Intrepid Prez]

...

Try these ten steps Mike...

1. Pick up the phone.

2. Ring Warner/Atlantic America

3. Ask to speak to the Label Manager

4. Ask the Label Manager nicely, "May I have the complete Jewel CD sales statz please"

5. She will say, "Can I get back to you... I have to do a little research?"

6. You reply, "That's OK, whenever you're ready... thank you very much.".

7. She'll then say, "You're Welcome". (That's the American version of "No worries")

8. Next day answer the phone to listen to the Nice Label Manager Lady as
she tells you the statz. Then she'll say, "Would you like me to email them
to you also?", and you'll reply, "That's very kind of you".

9. Check your email and sure enough: the 'Nice American Label Manager Lady' has
sent the statz. Just like the 'Nice Australian Label Manager Lady' did for the ASPCJ.

10. Then, you STUPID INCOMPETENT BUM, send them to the ASPCJ so I can fix the page up properly !!! :angry: :bang:



Easy... Justin ;) ;) ;)


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[michaelsjewel]

:blink: OMG....simmer down now now! :shock:

[MrCC]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Feb 25 2005, 03:34 PM
...

Try these ten steps Mike...

1. Pick up the phone.

2. Ring Warner/Atlantic America

3. Ask to speak to the Label Manager

4. Ask the Label Manager nicely, "May I have the complete Jewel CD sales statz please"

5. She will say, "Can I get back to you... I have to do a little research?"

6. You reply, "That's OK, whenever you're ready... thank you very much.".

7. She'll then say, "You're Welcome". (That's the American version of "No worries")

8. Next day answer the phone to listen to the Nice Label Manager Lady as
she tells you the statz. Then she'll say, "Would you like me to email them
to you also?", and you'll reply, "That's very kind of you".

9. Check your email and sure enough: the 'Nice American Label Manager Lady' has
sent the statz. Just like the 'Nice Australian Label Manager Lady' did for the ASPCJ.

10. Then, you STUPID INCOMPETENT BUM, send them to the ASPCJ so I can fix the page up properly !!! :angry: :bang:



Easy... Justin ;) ;) ;)


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This is even possible? Like they're going to talk to me. Even if I can find the phone number. America is a big place. What d'ya think I'm a journalist or something? I'm an incpompetent Jewel fan. I'll likely get put on a watch list of Jewel stalkers. Heck I tried to get some information about Jewel's cousin and her PR firm told me she doesn't want any publicity right now.

Tell you what. You get me the phone number and I'll call them at my earliest convenience. Now remember that it's a weekend over here Lizard-boy. :wacko:


...I need a raise to put up with this. All your cyber-wives/girlfriends have ditched you multiple times. Ever heard the expression "The only consistent thing in all your failed relationships is YOU"? ;)

[MrCC]

Sure would be nice to have a "Delete" button. Hint Hint. ;)

[Intrepid Prez]

All your cyber-wives/girlfriends have ditched you multiple times.(Mike)

Ahh... but Princess Angel Eyes has just promised ETERNAL love... B)
and... who was it who said: "Eternity is a long time, Sunshine" ???

Hey Angel Eyes...

As you have witnessed, Mike is as useful as an abandoned suitcase in an Iraqi restaurante.
He sent about a dozen emails with heaps of confusing links and countless useless statz. :bang:

So Tracy, it's up to you, our Kilcherian Princess.

Can you simply ring/email the Atlantic Label Manager in your nearest capital
city and ask her:

"What is the total number of Jewel's CDs sold in the USA...
figures for both singles and albums."

How easy is that, Tracy ???


Eternal Love, Princess.... Justin :wub:

[michaelsjewel]

well....certified crap..... over 25 million for ...um....her records sold :) says so on the back of LIVE @ HUMPHREY's by the bay

[Intrepid Prez]

For crying out loud Michael...

How vague is 25 million ???
Is that worldwide or USA ???
Is that including albums and singles ???
What's the breakdown ???

PLEASE... NO MORE AMBIGUOUS CRAP !!!

Warner/Atlantic Australia sent me this after a simple phone call:


AUSTRALIAN STATZ

Albums Sold - 769,377
Singles Sold - 309,107

Total CDs Sold = 1,078,484

Yeah, right down to the last CD :shock:


Angel Eyes, Angel Eyes, Angel Eyes...
please rescue me from this madness. :(

[michaelsjewel]

why don't you contact the record company intrepid? i doubt angel eyes can help you any more than you could yourself....lol...and i know it was vague.... i'm thinking that was worldwide

[Intrepid Prez]

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I got some news for you Michael:

It's heaps cheaper to ring a local number
than to call the OTHER SIDE OF THE F***ING PLANET !!!


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[michaelsjewel]

well fine then...lol.... thought u would give anything and everything to find out the stats the way you are stamping around the forum like some neanderthal on heroine......just to find out these stats....i think we'll find out more when the new record is released :)

[MrCC]

I'm supposed to beleive what the record company tells me? Record company spokespeople are a bunch of lying thieves. Make that alleged thieves. I wouldn't want to convict anybody without a trial.

This is the music business we're talking about. They sell ambiguity on small round disks. ;)

[Intrepid Prez]

OK... OK... OK...

We've all had our fun here... and I'm aware
that the record companies quote the number of
CDs that have left the warehouse... and that
doesn't necessarily mean that the CDs have been
purchased by the general public.

All that aside... can some Kilcherian in the USA ask their
local 'Atlantic Label Manager Lady' this simple question:

"What is the total number of Jewel's CDs sold in the USA...
figures for both singles and albums."

Easy... ;)

[michaelsjewel]

i really wouldn't know the phone number...it's such a big a** country!!!! lol

[MrCC]

Originally posted by michaelsjewel@Feb 27 2005, 09:23 PM
i really wouldn't know the phone number...it's such a big a** country!!!! lol
Hey that's what I'm saying Michael. It's a big country and even if I could get a phone number for Atlantic records are they going to be the right person to know this. And if I mention the ASPCJ they're likely to just hang up on me or put me on the FBI watch list. :P

[michaelsjewel]

yah...definite watch list...especially when the ASPCJ is under investigation by Jewel's managment....says so on http://www.michaelsjewel.com/exitlinks.html it's all there in PRINT!!!!!

[Angel_Eyes]

You know, you guys never know what the people will say or do unless you actually... um... you know... TRY to contact them. Ever think of that? :P

[michaelsjewel]

i have too much to do to care....or even try to contact atlantic records.... besides.... cd stats aren't really a big issue....unless your justin of course...lol :irish