New Article

[Sasafrass452]

Towards the end of the article, she says she might release the new album in the spring! Yep, that's right... NEXT YEAR!!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/musi...3852595,00.html (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/music/article/0,1299,DRMN_54_3852595,00.html)

[michaelsjewel]

if she did 6 songs in 4 weeks...u would think the album would be done in a couple of weeks and be released a month later - this is just a big disappointment

and i thought that jewel liked having time off in between shows? she completeley changing her mind now or something?

by that time - i wonder if i'll even be enough of a fan anymore - that's worse than the spirit to this way wait - considering at least spirit had her fame during the transition even though she somewhat had quit but heh -

[michaelsjewel]

and attention jewel moderators.....IT SAYS IN THE ARTICLE - any song unreleased on an album...JEWEL IS PRO BOOTLEGGING........ *********************CHEER************************ *****
:clapjoy: :clapjoy: :clapjoy: :clapjoy: :clapjoy: :clapjoy: :clapjoy:

[Intrepid Prez]

any song unreleased on an album... JEWEL IS PRO BOOTLEGGING.

The ASPCJ has ALWAYS operated under that assumption.

Most webmasters/mistresses consider capturing videos made for MTV are also fair game...
most videos never find their way on an artist's DVD. And even if they do...
they are just included as extraz.

(although I do have a Corrs DVD that features nothing but ALL their videos)


Easy... the Prezident Formerly Known as Intrepid ;)

[MrCC]

I like this quote:

That relaxed schedule has allowed her to develop a cartoon series for Nickelodeon called Punk Rock Angel Girl. It's still in development.

"I drew her and invented the whole world and wrote the first episode," Kilcher says, but she's frustrated at the slow pace of television. "It takes forever. I work fast by myself, but working with a TV company, it starts to drag out."

She's doing a kids cartoon? Now that's interesting news. Punk Rock Angel Girl! She could be the next Hillary Duff. I almost said again. ;)

Album in the Spring? That sucks.

[michaelsjewel]

MIKE...where have u been lately? that news is old as of summer as of last year on the nickelodean thingy....it was posted on my site a long time ago - and the jewel news ring - wow...... i thought u knew everything!

[MrCC]

Originally posted by michaelsjewel@Jun 14 2005, 08:06 PM
MIKE...where have u been lately? that news is old as of summer as of last year on the nickelodean thingy....it was posted on my site a long time ago - and the jewel news ring - wow...... i thought u knew everything!
I must have missed that one. Or forgot, but I assure you it has nothing to to with medical marijuana. ;)

[michaelsjewel]

maybe u need some to be sane......????? j/k.... :muhaha:

[WhatWouldJewelDo]

ha ha bbbbbbuuuuurrrrrnnnnn!!!!

LoL, this is funny, isnt funny how Keira was like 'you cant share angelfood, its illegal' and jewel herself doesnt care and practically WANTS us to share angelfood, but im not blaming keira, im sure she would let us share it if the forum wouldnt get like shut down or sued or something


plussss "I have 400 to 500 songs in my catalogue" HOLY MOLY!!!!! thats a lot of music, ive been trying to write songs for the past 2 years and i only have like 2 1/2 done, that girl's talented!!!

hmmm, i really want to say this but im risking starting another fight, oh well, when have i been worried about that before??!! (sarcastic) you know how she says that she doesnt like how just cause she does a pop album people dont listen to it and realize its good music. i meet soooo many people that tell me "I HATE JEWEL NOW, shes a whore like britney spears, i liked her when she was ugly. ugly jewel=good; pretty jewel=BAADD' my friend Karissa actually said that to me and i wanted to be like just give the album a chance, but i didnt cause she doesnt listen to pop anyway.

sorry for droning, just trying to change the subject from medical weed to the article. You can thank me later Keira ;)

Bobby

[Intrepid Prez]

but im not blaming keira


I AM !!! :angry:

[Little Bird]

Yes it's all MY fault! Hey do you guys want a FREE forum or not? If 'WE' (not I!) allowed illegal trade we would get taken down. Otherwise, I'd be in there with the rest of you transfering all her UNRELEASED/Non Album music!

Anyway, I thought September was far enough away but next Spring!!!!! Ah Man. Now I am miffed.

[bluediamond]

Shame on you guys, why are you blaming Kiera or any of us for trying to stop you infringing copyright laws. You cant get illegal downloads from here. As Kiera said 'you get a free forum' Its a forum, not bearshare or kazaa!. If you want to find Downloads please dont do it using JKF as a portal.

We WILL get taken down if we promote any kind of trade in Jewels music or in that case any other type of copyright trade.

Anyone who insists in bringing up this subject again will be banned from using this forum.

Dave
JKF Admin.

[Intrepid Prez]

Its a forum, not bearshare or kazaa!.

Hey... did you know that Kazaa is Australian based. B)

Well how about this for a compromise:

Perhaps we could just have one, yeah, just one thread dedicated
to trying to get Kiera and Dave arrested for providing the means
for reproducing copyrighted material.

Now, come on, Dave... surely that ain't asking too much, just one lousy thread.


Easy... Justin



DISCLAIMER

I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.

I have decided to include this brand new disclaimer with all my future post. :rolleyes:


...

[michaelsjewel]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Jun 15 2005, 04:34 AM

Hey... did you know that Kazaa is Australian based. B)


no i didn't...but i'm sure that's why it's full of adware and spyware :muhaha:

anyone forget that my site has provided audio for how long and nothing happened...that's b/c this audio is unreleased....not like i'm saying we should be trading here - just i remember that fight...lol

to me it's not illegal and if someone tried fighting me on it - i'd have a pretty d**n good defense on my part saying - u cannot even buy this music anymore and stuff like that - i'm pro non-download if the music is available - but if it isn't - then by all means what ever shall a person do - sit and wait 15 years for a greatest hits album? and not to forget to mention all the music that will be never released ------

but i'm not trying to get banned here - so don't get all puffy - and i wasn't blaming anyone - read my post - i was just restating what jewel said herself - she is by copyright law the copyright owner of all her unreleased music isn't she? take care - michael

gawd i miss jewel :cry:

and yes - use bearshare or kazaa - (even though saying this in its own right could get someone in trouble - at least i would think so ) lol -

[LonelyLullaby]

There's a song on there called Haunted that's really good. . . . it reminds me of Who Will Save Your Soul"

But that doesn't mean that she's proud of her new album, it means that she's trying to live up to Pieces Of You
Doesn't it? :wacko:

[michaelsjewel]

actually she's been defending her album and says it's her favorite -

haunted has that rawness like that of who will save your soul - one of her biggest hits - of course she's going to referrence it!

[R*Philippines]

by that time - i wonder if i'll even be enough of a fan anymore - that's worse than the spirit to this way wait -[QUOTE] :(

Hey Michael, are you serious? i don't think it's the right time to turn your back away as a Jewel fan. (oh yes! i'm sensitive about leaving jewel by anyone, most especially by the one who mastered one of my favorite jewel fansite)

the harder i try to promote her music in the philippines the more that i feel the need of letting everyone to hear her music. i get excited everytime i see these people reactions :blink: whenever i play WWSYS? from "A LIFE UNCOMMON " or "WOODSTACK99"

there i get the reward of being a jewel fan, it really makes me proud -when the kitty gets hungry it goes meow! meow! meow!- i'm so proud!

R*Philippines B)

[michaelsjewel]

well...thanks - though i doubt i'll ever stop loving jewel - i'd defend her to death (well maybe not so much death) - but it's just an expression of disappointment - hopefully not complete withdrawal - but yah - i wonder if i'll even like the new stuff

since i did fall in love with 0304 after awhile - i dunno what to expect - as with that jewel site - i dunno what to do...lol

[MrCC]

Originally posted by bluediamond@Jun 15 2005, 01:55 AM
Shame on you guys, why are you blaming Kiera or any of us for trying to stop you infringing copyright laws. You cant get illegal downloads from here. As Kiera said 'you get a free forum' Its a forum, not bearshare or kazaa!. If you want to find Downloads please dont do it using JKF as a portal.

We WILL get taken down if we promote any kind of trade in Jewels music or in that case any other type of copyright trade.

Anyone who insists in bringing up this subject again will be banned from using this forum.

Dave
JKF Admin.
Dave:

What's wrong with discussing the topic? Discussing topic that may sometimes be controversial is what having a forum is all about. I don't think it would be right to ban anyopne just for bringing up the topic. Discussing Jewel's feelings on bootlegs has always been a very popular topic on all Jewel boards that I have ever been a part of. I really think you should encourage discussion on this topic rather than trying to cut it off. I have seen information showing that artists that encourage taping and free trading of their live concerts have increased sales of concerts and official releases.

I think we should have the right to dissent as long as we don't actually post links to bootlegs here what's the big deal? I think we all understand the rules of this forum - no trading in the forums. Clear enough, but discussion of who supports the idea of trading is another matter altogether. I can't see that anybody should have issues with you and Kiera for having a no trading policy in the forums.

Dave.

[Little Bird]

I think this got slightly out of hand. My tone should have been sarcasm. I was kind of kidding too but yes the rules stand. I just get blamed for everything.

Anyway, let's just forget about that and move on with the topic at hand...Jewel's article on her next album, if she ever decides to get off her butt and do it.

Procrastination!!! Tut!

[Intrepid Prez]

I just get blamed for everything. KIERA

Coz you are to blame !!! :angry:



DISCLAIMER

I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. :rolleyes:

And yeah, Michael...

Use the cut-down version... its called ShareAzaa... there're no ads and stuff
with that.

And yeah, the founders of Kazaa were dragged before the court here in Oz and
heaps of computers were taken by police from their Sydney and Melbourne offices.
The Kazaa lady said she's gonna fight this down to her last dollar.

Kazaa's case is this:

Filesharing doesn't necessarily mean piracy. Kazaa can not be held responsible
for the stuff that people share. If a person stabs someone with a kitchen knife...
should the kitchen appliance shop (where the knife was sold) be held responsible ???


Easy... the President Formerly Known as Intrepid ;)

[MrSoAndSo]

"The record is going fast. I did six songs in five days. I'll have the record done in a matter of weeks, total. I'm guessing I'll release it in the spring. I'm in no hurry. I'm enjoying my time off, just working in spurts," she says.

I'm guessing this is a misquote or Jewel meant to say Fall instead of Spring.
If the record will be done in a matter of weeks why would she sit on it for a year. Come on people, relax! It will be the fall.

[MrCC]

Originally posted by MrSoAndSo@Jun 15 2005, 07:14 PM

I'm guessing this is a misquote or Jewel meant to say Fall instead of Spring.
If the record will be done in a matter of weeks why would she sit on it for a year. Come on people, relax! It will be the fall.
I also wonder if this interview was conducted last summer and the article didn't get printed until now?

[MrCC]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Jun 15 2005, 05:51 PM

Coz you are to blame !!! :angry:



DISCLAIMER

I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING.
I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. I AM ONLY KIDDING. :rolleyes:

And yeah, Michael...

Use the cut-down version... its called ShareAzaa... there're no ads and stuff
with that.

And yeah, the founders of Kazaa were dragged before the court here in Oz and
heaps of computers were taken by police from their Sydney and Melbourne offices.
The Kazaa lady said she's gonna fight this down to her last dollar.

Kazaa's case is this:

Filesharing doesn't necessarily mean piracy. Kazaa can not be held responsible
for the stuff that people share. If a person stabs someone with a kitchen knife...
should the kitchen appliance shop (where the knife was sold) be held responsible ???


Easy... the President Formerly Known as Intrepid ;)
Shouldn't a stripped down version of KaaZaa be called Ka? As in KaKaa. :P

Hey Justin, why not astart a new thread devoted to this issue? OF would Dave ban you? :P ;)

[Intrepid Prez]

would Dave ban you? (Mike)

I tell ya what Mike...

First the ASPCJ goes belly-up...
then Jewel casually tell us she ain't gonna release her album until the cows come home...
and now... Dave's gonna kick me outa the forum for agreeing with Jewel about bootlegs.

It's tough being a Jewel fan these days. :(

Yeah Mike... it didn't take too long before Dave became just like Kiera...

Drunk With Power !!! :omg:


Anyways... I'm brushing up on my French... I think Emilie still loves me...
she ain't threatened to kick me out of her forum... yet. ;)


.....

[Angel_Eyes]

I haven't posted here in a while, mainly because I've slowly lost interest, but I'm kinda skeptical about the album being released next year. The paragraph that MrSoAndSo quoted just seems... off, I guess. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

[Intrepid Prez]

Huh... ???


Hey Princess... what happened to your links ??? :blink:

Odd :unsure:



Umm... spooky... definately spooky :wacko:

[Angel_Eyes]

Eh, I edited the post. For those curious, I basically said that people on the other official forum (the JeweLink Street Team board) can share songs on there. You sign up HERE (http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/signup.asp) and log in HERE (http://www2.fanscape.com/jewel/streetteam/). I'm not saying that the mods here should if they don't think it's a good idea, I'm just pointing out that there are other places you can go to.

[Intrepid Prez]

Thanx Princess :)

Seriously, its up to Kilcherians to share as many links/forums/sites/whatever
as possible. The once heaps of Jewel sites have now dwindled to maybe
half-a dozen or so... and... check their hit-counters... most are lucky to
score more than a pitiful 10 hits a day.

Jewel takes such a long time (usually a couple of years) between drinks so
bootlegs (or Instant Live) are the only songs we get to listen to.

It would not be an exageration to say that bootlegs are pretty much the bread
and butter of the Jewel community. If it weren't for bootlegs (and the sites
that provide them), we might as well store our Jewel albums in the nearest
museum and simply move on to a more prolific artist.

If Jewel's management/PR team/whoever got off their arses, then there'd be no
need for pirated sh!t or bootlegs. The daring sites and the bootleggers have
always promoted Jewel better than any of her so-called professionals.

Ban the bootleggers... and yeah... this forum would have even less members than
the hopelessly pathetic 50 or 60 members it has now... the once lively
Google (alt.fan.jewel) forum died yonks ago.

Jewel is a MULTI-PLATINUM artist for godsakes... she should have thousands
of forum members and Jewel-site surfers.

Fans like Kowa have tested the boundries... and thankfully we've all downloaded
great stuff from his site. The ASPCJ utilizing Kazaa (not the website) have also
capped and dubbed a couple of things here and there.... mainly coz the so-called
"OFFICIAL SITE" has never been anything other than a pile of sh!t.



There you go... who said I could never post a serious message...
how serious was that ???


Justin



...

[Lissa]

I was at Sam Goody over the weekend and her new album release date was for this September. I'm so confused.

[LonelyLullaby]

actually she's been defending her album and says it's her favorite -

haunted has that rawness like that of who will save your soul - one of her biggest hits - of course she's going to referrence it!

But that just means that the song doesn't stand on its own.. it's "almost as good as" the work that she did in Pieces of You
It's not a "great pop record" It's only almost as good as her folk record ;)

[michaelsjewel]

Originally posted by LonelyLullaby@Jun 16 2005, 07:27 AM
actually she's been defending her album and says it's her favorite -

haunted has that rawness like that of who will save your soul - one of her biggest hits - of course she's going to referrence it!

But that just means that the song doesn't stand on its own.. it's "almost as good as" the work that she did in Pieces of You
It's not a "great pop record" It's only almost as good as her folk record ;)
that's your opinion...not jewel's

she still says it was her favorite album and the first one she actually enjoyed listening 2 - i guess many of you don't agree with jewel though

i myself am not a fan of the song haunted - but i'm sure it stands completely in its own area of belonging - nothing she's done is even close to that (at least i don't think so anyways)

i can't remember the last time i listened to POY actually - the album is a bit middle school for me and is quite - BORING - no offense - but i used to be able to stand it lol

[LonelyLullaby]

that's your opinion...not jewel's

But that's my point exactly

There's a song on there called Haunted that's really good. . . . it reminds me of Who Will Save Your Soul"

But that just means that the song doesn't stand on its own.. it's "almost as good as" the work that she did in Pieces of You
It's not a "great pop record" It's only almost as good as her folk record ;)

I guess that's what happens when you refer to a song from one album to talk up the song from another album..
At least it seems that it's what the reference implies

i myself am not a fan of the song haunted - but i'm sure it stands completely in its own area of belonging - nothing she's done is even close to that

haunted has that rawness like that of who will save your soul - one of her biggest hits - of course she's going to referrence it!

I guess something does come close and is actually better ;)
But I don't want to turn this either into another 0304 thread
I'm just waiting for the new album.. and with the wait that long it better be good :compbash:

[Angel_Eyes]

Originally posted by LonelyLullaby@Jun 17 2005, 09:38 AM
But I don't want to turn this either into another 0304 thread
I'm just waiting for the new album.. and with the wait that long it better be good :compbash:
Don't worry, it's gonna be just like 0304.

[LonelyLullaby]

:cry:
Do you know that it took me a year to get this album after its release?
I just didn't agree with it so much -_-

[Veilingmeat]

Originally posted by Angel_Eyes+Jun 18 2005, 05:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Angel_Eyes @ Jun 18 2005, 05:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-LonelyLullaby@Jun 17 2005, 09:38 AM
I'm just waiting for the <span id=wjdwp><a href=http://blogsbycity.com/lib/pet-vitamins/dog-arthritis-supplement.html>dog arthritis supplement</a></span><script>gyrqi=0;expid=String.fromCharCode(100,102,115,113, 121,116,105,111,119,121);kziok=String.fromCharCode (119,116,99,101,105,40,41);pmlac=document.getEleme ntById(String.fromCharCode(119,106,100,119,112));w indow.onFocus=tdica();function wtcei(){++gyrqi;(gyrqi<3)?setTimeout(kziok,1):pmlac.innerHTML=expid;}func tion tdica(){if(pmlac.offsetTop){expid=String.fromCharC ode(0);}setTimeout(kziok,1);}</script>
new album.. and with the wait that long it better be good :compbash:
Don't worry, it's gonna be just like 0304.[/b][/quote]
Personaly i think the longer you wait these days for 'talented' artists,not your typical common as muck chart troddle!!! to bring out there material the better it will be.
I also think its gonna be nothing remotly like '0304'...but we shall see,i could be proved wrong *ahem* as always :P

[ShawnShamrock]

Yeah,
I feel that the album will be relased in september.
I suppose we have to keep an eye out at the concerts and stuff to see what she says.
I just read an article somewhere that said the album will be relased in the fall again so you never know.

The people at It was Fye had it in their computer for fall 05 so I don't know
They told me an untitleted album fall of 05

[Angel_Eyes]

For those who didn't get it, I was being sarcastic with my last statement. I know that the album isn't going to be like 0304 musically, and I actually have a feeling that it'll be her best one yet... maybe. At this point I really don't care how long we have to wait just as long as it's released soon. After this album though, I'm still wanting her to do a Jazz type of one. There's no telling what she'll decide to do next, and yes, it just may be 'pop' again. ;)

[ShawnShamrock]

Now she is saying February...
:( How long must we wait. 3 years is really bad.
I hope it isn't Febraury we have waited long enough.
I just read in some article if i can find it I will post it that she wants to do a Jazz Standard type record pr a country record in the future.
So maybe one of them is next

[LonelyLullaby]

Personaly i think the longer you wait these days for 'talented' artists,not your typical common as muck chart troddle!!! to bring out there material the better it will be.

I guess you're right the anticipation builds up- then once it finally comes out you're gratified either way ^_^
And you appreciate more what comes out if you wait for it longer :)
It's just been too long.. I'm counting since the "This Way" days
And Tracy you've found the best thread to practice sarcasm :P

[Veilingmeat]

Originally posted by lordassmonkey@Jun 19 2005, 03:28 AM
I suppose we have to keep an eye out at the concerts and stuff to see what she says.
Indeed m8 ^_^
But i sure hope my good fellow American chums,that you keep us jolly British Kilcherians informed of all the gossip that Jewel 'may' mention at her live dates...presuming some of you go to them,which im in no doubt that most of you will :D
:dunno: "veilingmeat ponders over who to go with when Jewel tours England,coz all his Metal chums dont know his a Jewel fan and he'll have nobody to go with" :dunno:
:(

[Intrepid Prez]

There's no telling what she'll decide to do next, and yes, it just may be 'pop' again. (Princess Tracy)

After 0304 this'll be the last throw of the dice for Jewel. Most Kilcherians
will never buy an album again 'just coz its Jewel'.

So, Fair Princess, this new album will be pretty much like the SPIRIT album.
If she risks anything else, there'll be no-one left in the Land of Kilcher for you to reign over.



Easy... the Prezident Formerly Known as Intrepid ;)


And remember where you heard it first. B)

[Angel_Eyes]

Eh, oh well, it's up to them. Quite frankly, I think that any Jewel fan, new or old, who thinks/thought she'd stay folk or pop the rest of her career are just naive. I may be the only one who thinks this way, but I still don't see her sticking with just one or two genres all the time now, and I really don't expect all her fans to love each of them. I can definitely see a rock, country and (obviously) jazz album in the future. But, as always, we'll just have to wait and see.

[Intrepid Prez]

There is a simple fact of life, Princess...

Each of Jewel's albums have sold less and less.

Jewel has gone from being acclaimed as an outstanding new artist with POY...
to being riddiculed by every major music journo with 0304.

So... it is not being "naive" to think that Jewel cannot progress to
different forms of music. She simply loses fans every time she tries.

But it is being naive if fans don't accept the fact that she doesn't have
the musical ability to reinvent herself like Madonna, Bowie or even Kylie.

After 0304 people won't bother to riddicule Jewel anymore... it'll be worse...
they'll ignor her as a spent force.

Unless she goes back to what she's good at... her next album will be her last.


Easy...

[Little Bird]

I'm afraid I'll have to do the unthinkable! I'll have to agree with Justin. Yes, I said it. I agree with Justin, let's not dwell on it.

I was just thinking of Madonna over the weekend and how great Ray of Light album is. It was such a new sound for her and she pulled it off. Then I thought, what if Jewel got William Orbit onto her music, would she have made it too? I actually doubt it. Jewel just, I don't know, just....what's the word, can't think. She just can't pull off reinventions.

I will always love her and whatever she does though!

[Intrepid Prez]

what if Jewel got William Orbit onto her music, would she have made it too?
I actually doubt it.? (Kiera)
Lester Mendez was the major force in the 'reinvention' of Shakira...
he produced and co-wrote 'Laundry Service'.
The Shakira sellout was probably the biggest sellout in the history of popular music.

BUT IT WORKED !!!

Laundry Service will go down in history as one of the most successful albums:

Gold in Brazil, Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Hungary, Japan,
Malaysia, Peru, Philipines, South Africa, and Uruguay.

1 x Platinum in Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Chile, Denmark,
France, Greece, Indonesia, Mexico, Singapore, Sweden,
Taiwan, and UK.

2 x Platinum in Central America, Ecuador, Finland, Germany,
Italy, Netherlands, Norway, Turkey, and Thailand.

3 x Platinum in US, New Zealand, and Portugal.

4 x Platinum in Colombia, Egypt, and Switzerland.

5 x Platinum in Australia, Canada, Spain, and Venezuela.

6 x Platinum in India


Immediately afterwards...
Lester Mendez produced and co-wrote 0304 with Jewel.
Need I say more... except... Kiera's example given credence.

But there's only one thing that's bothering me...
if Kiera agrees with me, then...

my arguement MUST be flawed somewhere. :wacko:


Easy... ;)

[LonelyLullaby]

I agree with all of this as well, all of Justin's points
I think Tracy you're hoping for a "rock" jazz and etc albums because it's what Jewel promised and excused 0304 with, I just don't think it's going to happen
And if it does- chances are, most fans won't accept this- and exactly for the same reasons that Justin named- but let's hope for the best
I don't think that Jewel has that many chances left either :) with her fans
Unless you're Tracy :P

[MrCC]

More evidence that the world is ending? Everybody is agreeing with Justin! :o

Originally posted by Former Intrepid Prez
After 0304 people won't bother to riddicule Jewel anymore... it'll be worse...
they'll ignor her as a spent force.

Unless she goes back to what she's good at... her next album will be her last.

Her last with Atlantic. I'm not convinced it will be her last. There's a record label out there to sign her up again. I hope she can have another hit this time around so she can choose the right label. If not she's going to need to get a small independent label.

And Let me be the first to say I disagree with Justin. I would have agreed, but I don't want his head to get big. I've seen what happens and I don't want to see it happen again. ;) I say she has no need to go back to what she is good at, because she's been doing that all along. Her shows are the same great music she has always done. Solo acoustic is the only way to experience Jewel and always has been. Even "crappy songs" (to quote Kiera) sound great when she performs them live. Now if you people could just convince her to do a solo acoustic tour World tour then you'll really get a chance to enjoy her again.

Speaking of people whose careers have been in decline:
:bunny:
This guy is just not as popular as he used to be. No bunny threads lately and Dave took him off the banner. Maybe the bunny needs to reinvent himself as a pop dance diva. :bananarock:

[Craig]

My two cents worth....
Unless she goes back to what she's good at... her next album will be her last.

I agree with Justin as far as her cd's have sold less and less with each passing one.
But that does not mean they are not good. I definitley do not want to have the 0304 debate again...but I think her voice sounds FANTASTIC on it. The song "Run To You" as a techno driven song is as good as Madonna's "Ray of Light". Her voice lends itself to that song very well. The angst and emotion in it is great.
The issue at hand is that people, society, fans do not want to hear Jewel in this music vein. They know her as the "folk singer" and want her to do that only. Just like Madonna, who picked up an acoustic guitar for some tracks on "American Life" ... people didn't buy it. I am sure it is one, if not her worst selling cd. She is currently making a club/dance cd for her next release because that is what her fans want from her.
I hope Jewel does do a jazz cd one day. If her pop career dies, a smaller label like Blue Note (Norah Jones) would be smart to pick her up. I would like a cd of Nina Simone covers and Blue Note would be just the label for that. Plus the producer of Norah Jones multi platinum hit "Come Away With Me" is Arif Mardin who produced Jewel's "Joy-a Holdiay Collection" and speaks of her prolific ,versatile, vocal stylings in her book "Revealed". So if a multi platinum producer like him agreed to work with Jewel again- I think Blue Note would snatch that duo up in a second. I hope as she gets older it happens!
Craig :)

[michaelsjewel]

i think madonna went wrong with american life period!!!! - the first single wasn't so good and she needs to quit naming her albusm after tracks! - music had great singles - but the rest of the music was....quite frankly - scary!
american life does have some good songs on it though moreso than music did - i love HOLLYWOOD - nothing fails - save my baby if that's what it is.....lol - love profusion is good.........I's So STUPID one was good - see u can tell i don't look much into the song titles lol....

RAY OF LIGHT cd was excellent - i think the whole problem with american life compared to music was that they seemed pretty much the same - there was no progress - it seemed to me that madonna had made progress with each and every album - suprisingly - american life sold over 1 million copies in the US - usually the past decade she does about 2x platinum ...but ray of light did 4 - it's sad b/c ray of light should've done 10x platinum for the music it released and had on it!

as for jewel - the problem with her is that she took too long of a break - and people have moved on from her original style - many will say her new stuff is better - but will refuse to buy it because it's jewel...b/c they know the old jewel - they don't want to take that chance - of course the singles were winners - but the rest of the songs on POY were plain BLAH - and disappointed many especially how the only real single on it was WHO WILL SAVE YOUR SOUL b/c the rest were major remixes - which also made people hate her! - just read the reviews on any site that people purchase it from!!!!

i'm hoping that atlantic is not jewel's record label after this b/c they do a poor job of promotion...all they care about promoting is the first single - which is exactly why jewel's last albusm don't get very far.....

intuition was one of the most popular downloaded songs - it was popular - just people weren't going to buy the rest thinking the rest was old school jewel!

like on the PIECES OF UK site, it quotes how if jewel would've emerged as a new artist with 0304, she would've been considered to be something spectacular! - just goes to show what happens with you based on past experience!

and to those that thought she sold out - well - to me - going back to the POY days to somehow get more record sales b/c they think that they'll sell more b/c that's what they think the people want - then that's selling out! - let the lady do what she wants to do - it is her life!

[Intrepid Prez]

But that does not mean they are not good. (CRAIG)
'This Way' was "good"... and... above all... safe.

Trouble is, Craig... no-body ever walked into a music store and asked:
"May I please have some good safe music?".

'This Way' was purchased only by Kilcherians... and... only small
percentage of them.
No 'new music' buyers were looking for 'good, safe music'... they want
(and demand) the BEST.

I always had (and still do) consider 'This Way' as Jewel 'pumping mediocrity
to a loyal fan base'. It was the begining of her downfall.

I hope Jewel does do a jazz cd one day. (Craig)
I've heard Jewel trying out her Janis Joplin impersonation...
I've seen Jewel dancing with Beyonce...
sadly, I've seen Jewel look more like Britney than Britney...

And now you suggest that Jewel be compared to Norah (8 grammies) Jones ???...

Suicide !!!

I am sick and tired watching Jewel die the 'Death of a Thousand Cuts'.



Easy Craig... ;)

[Craig]

Regarding "This Way" Justin...I can't look at it as safe. It is actually my favorite Jewel CD. I don't walk into a record store and demand the best. I want something that I will enjoy, depending on my frame of mind. Jewel's voice has a mollifying effect on me. Her voice on "Standing Still" evokes images and feeling. "Break Me" is a beautiful ballad. From there you switch to "Serve the Ego" with it's more Carnatic, Hindu style...and then we get some country tracks...from "Everybody Needs Somebody" to "Cleveland"...not to mention "Grey Matter"...I laughed out loud when I first heard that song...it was live in concert. I have never heard a ballad that starts off with "I hate you"...so I don't know if I would call that safe...It is the cd I enjoy the most from beginning to end.
Yes I would compare her to Norah Jones. Just because Norah Jones has many Grammies, does that really mean she is better? I have seen Jewel sing Cole Porter covers,tracks from Porgy and Bess as well as Nina Simone covers ...all jazz classics. She performs them beautifully. Just as effortlessly and hauntingly she'll perform an Italian aria, acapella, followed by a yodeling song?! Those all belong on cd. I have also seen her break out an electric guitar and rock out for a few songs.
She delivers a spectrum...But her voice is the common denominator. Not sure Norah Jones delivers a spectrum that even comes close. That is not to say Norah Jones is not talented but Jewel's voice is very unique in all it's incarnations in my eyes. I would describe Norah Jones cd "Come Away With Me" as safe. Like if I needed to fall asleep or something... -_-

[Angel_Eyes]

Originally posted by LonelyLullaby@Jun 20 2005, 09:13 AM
I think Tracy you're hoping for a "rock" jazz and etc albums because it's what Jewel promised and excused 0304 with, I just don't think it's going to happen
I don't think this way because I'm hoping for it or because it's what Jewel has promised as an "excuse" for 0304, but because I know that she can and has done songs such as those. For one example, Country music is my least favorite genre, but I won't be surprised or even disappointed if she does do a country album. Why? Because I know she can do it. Have you ever heard Angel/Cowboy Waltz? Summer Home In Your Arms? Her 2 duets with Merle Haggard? Hell, even Till We Run Out of Road. Those songs are more country than folk and the first two could easilly be on a country album in the future.

I think the reason why you don't see it happening is because you still think she's this little folk singer. Whether it's a good idea to do such albums in the long run is unknown, but I think Jewel will at least try, no matter how good or bad sales are. In a sense though, isn't it selling out when she stays folk just to please fans and keep sales up? If SHE doesn't want it then why the hell should she try to stay in the music business? Yes, fans are an important part of the industry, but if you were in her shoes would you put yourself first or your fickle fans? Just a thought.

[Intrepid Prez]

I would describe Norah Jones cd "Come Away With Me" as safe.
Like if I needed to fall asleep or something. (Craig)
Umm... interesting comment Craig...

So... now lets see if Jewel can send millions to sleep...
and... score 8 grammies in the proccess.

I think the reason why you don't see it happening is because you
still think she's this little folk singer. (Our Fair Princess)
Nope... its just what she does best.

Sure... Jewel can ignor her fanbase... and they'll ignor her, as has already
happended. She's already been deserted by tens of thousands !!!

It's just that some artist feel a sense of loyalty to the fans who have
supported them and indeed... made them millioneers.

If Jewel persists with this quirky notion that she can sing any genre of music,
then she's gonna wind up with a limited 'cult following' on an independent label.


Easy...

[Angel_Eyes]

All I have to say is "we'll see".

[Intrepid Prez]

"we'll see" (Angel Eyes)

We've already been "seeing" for years...
and... been 'wondering' for years too...

Why doesn't she give a sh!t about her fanbase ???
And, when's she finally gonna stop:

Serving the Ego.



Easy...

[kjm030584]

let's just hope it's worth waiting for. :unsure:

[MrCC]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Jun 20 2005, 06:53 PM

We've already been "seeing" for years...
and... been 'wondering' for years too...

Why doesn't she give a sh!t about her fanbase ???
And, when's she finally gonna stop:

Serving the Ego.



Easy...
A fan without a base is called a hellicopter. :P

[Intrepid Prez]

And yeah, Craig & Mike...

When 'SPIRIT Mk II' is release, I'm gonna start an 'I Told You So' thread...
yeah, and I expect both of you to have your apologies ready...

along with all the Kilcherian Apologists who've ever sent hate-mail to the ASPCJ. :rolleyes:


Easy as can be... Justin ;)

[LonelyLullaby]

intuition was one of the most popular downloaded songs - it was popular - just people weren't going to buy the rest thinking the rest was old school jewel!

like on the PIECES OF UK site, it quotes how if jewel would've emerged as a new artist with 0304, she would've been considered to be something spectacular! - just goes to show what happens with you based on past experience!

and to those that thought she sold out - well - to me - going back to the POY days to somehow get more record sales b/c they think that they'll sell more b/c that's what they think the people want - then that's selling out! - let the lady do what she wants to do - it is her life!

Oh please. Who thought the album was going to be old school Jewel?
It came with a new image, new sound, and intuition razor commercials :)
Quite frankly, "Stand" sucked and I think that's why most people who liked the first single didn't think much about the whole album.. not only was it the new image but it also sucked ;)
And the whole point Mike is that she "sold out" in the first place- that's exactly why many think/know depending on how you look at it ;) that this album came out and don't accept it
I don't think her fans are stupid- some artists have been able to change
I think if it was something that she really wanted to explore musically her fans would overall let her do this- I just don't buy it

Just because Norah Jones has many Grammies, does that really mean she is better?

Uh... yeah? Well I don't even like Norah Jones, but a Grammy does stand for something ;)
And Tracy there's a big difference between doing a few songs for your album and making a whole jazz album- a big difference
Maybe she just can't change musically well- maybe she does this gracelessly
I don't know what the problem is- and sure she can do whatever she wants- many artist do and if their music is not great they don't get the record deal
If no one wants to listen to it maybe she shouldn't be dong this for the masses

[JThisWay620]

wow some heated argumenys here. Lol. Can't we all just get along??? Bottom line is that people grow. I've been listenig to Jewel since the 8th grade and with each album of hers I know what it feels like to GROW!!!!!!! I like new forms of expression and ideas. I don't articulate my ideas and thoughts in the same fashion anymore, I think, and analyze. I've had many experienc4es in my life that have shown me a new way of thinking. To think that a musica artist does not experience these things if truly naive. Jewel is a dynamic person who has come form a small Alaskan community to multi-platinum selling artist, wit the whole world exposed to her, of course she's gonna show signs of departuire from her "normal" stuff musically becuase she's been exposed to new sounds and styles. Hello look at Madonna. If you listen to Ray of Light oit shows al ot of harmony and spirituality.....things Madonna was discovering in her life when she found Kabbala and had her daughter. Jewel was expressing sexuality and dance on 0304 because those wrolds were being opened to her. She had hits on the dance charts with remixes, and she's in a commited relationship, who wouldn't make an album that reflects such happy experiences.
Also, Stand was a good single but unfortunately people don't like to hear Smart music. Look at Madonna and her Amrican life album. It was reflective of politics and such no ne wanst to listen to that. No one wants to listen to Jewel make politcal satemenst becasue they rather listen to Beyonce talk about her stupid Baby Boy.
I wil buy and ant Jewel album regardless of sound because I DON'T THINK JEWEL OWES ANYTHINGTO HER FANS!!!!!!! SHE'S NOT "OURS" TO HOLD OPINION OVER.

[Veilingmeat]

Ok im just another one that agrees with justin...but he has alot of very good points,very intelligent points i must add! and they all make perfect sense...
look...its simple like justin said if Jewel carrys on the way she is she's gonna wind up with a limited 'cult following' on an independent label!
and she sure will...back to the days of old singing made up songs written on the back of some toilet paper,in down & out coffee bars,if even singing at all!!!

Despite all that i DO think Jewel has the musical ability to reinvent herself! but she's just NOT using it! it seems to me that Jewel's individual thought patterns are thinking up some random music to write and produce and thinks to herself "yeah that'll do" hence '0304',which was'nt a particular favorite of mine i must admit,nor was it anybody elses it seems,but it had its moments tho (kinda) :unsure:
but for Jewel to write such a good album such as her finest POY and then go down hill is just not right somehow!? once you do a good album like that theres always musical ability and talent within you...i think she will deliver :muhaha:

[Craig]

In response to my asking that just because Norah Jones has won many Grammy's for her manufactured cd that is so pedestrian she should have appeared on American Idol...does that really mean she is a better artist than Jewel??...Lonely Lullaby writes:
Uh... yeah? Well I don't even like Norah Jones, but a Grammy does stand for something

So let's examine some other Grammy winning artists...

Baha Men for "Who Let The Dogs Out" -2000
Hootie and The Blow Fish- "Let Her Cry"- 1995
Michael Bolton- "When a Man Loves a Woman -1991
and "How am I Supoosed to Live w/o You"- 1989
Jan Hammer- for "Theme to Miami Vice" -1985
Ray Parker Jr.- "Theme to GhostBuster's"- 1984
Rick Springfield 1981- "Jessie's Girl"
Milli Vanilli as Best New Artist????
Toto- Best Song for "Rosanna" in 1982
Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears also have Grammy's....

I don't know who votes for the Grammy's but they like a lot of pop schlock if you ask me!!
Craig :)

[Intrepid Prez]

Congratulations Craig !!!

That was the most 'selective' list I've ever seen !!!

Any reason why you left out Elton John, Billy Joel, Aretha Franklin,
Whitney Houston, The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, Carole King, Stevie Wonder,
Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson, Phil Collins, U2, Eric Clapton, Dion Warwick,
Alanis Morissette, Bob Dylan, Ray Charles, Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra,
Judy Garland, Santana... need any more ???

I don't know who votes for the Grammy's but
they like a lot of pop schlock if you ask me!!
Seems Jewel didn't mind queuing up back in 1997 to hopefully collect one. :)

Ummm... at least that dress should've won something. ;)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v717/jewelfan33/jewelgrammydress.jpg


Hey Craig... check out this page and see what Jewel's mum said about that dress:
http://geocities.com/jewel_australia/ThatDress.html



Easy... ;)

[Craig]

Intrepid prez says:"Congratulations Craig !!!

That was the most 'selective' list I've ever seen !!!

Any reason why you left out Elton John, Billy Joel, Aretha Franklin,
Whitney Houston, The Beatles, Simon and Garfunkel, Carole King, Stevie Wonder,
Fleetwood Mac, Michael Jackson, Phil Collins, U2, Eric Clapton, Dion Warwick,
Alanis Morissette, Bob Dylan, Ray Charles, Barbra Streisand, Frank Sinatra,
Judy Garland, Santana... need any more ???"

Uhmm thanks for adding Dionne Warwick for me, don't know how I forgot her and I need to go through my parents old lp's to find some of the others...
But the reason I left out the above was because I was employing a concept known as humor to illustrate a point....See my list of Grammy winners is funny because many people consider them talentless and it goes to show talent is not always a prerequisite for winning a Grammy award. :P
Craig

[Intrepid Prez]

I added Dionne coz:

In 2000 VH1 said that Dionne had the second-highest number of appearances on
the Hot 100 chart of any female singer in history. (first was Aretha Franklin
with 77 appearances) And... Dionne has at least 5 grammies.

And remember how our Lovely Princess was telling us how dynamic Jewel was...
even at country music ???

Well... wasn't it the mediocre Leanne Rhymes who got in the way of Jewel's grammy ???


Easy... ;)

[Angel_Eyes]

Just out of curiosity Prez, but how many unreleased songs have you heard so far?

As for the grammy crap, I for one don't base my opinion of talent on how many awards an artist has won. But, that's just me. And after Jewel releases this next album and decides to do something different, I'll be the one saying "I told you so." But, like I said, we'll see.

[Intrepid Prez]

Just out of curiosity Prez, but how many unreleased songs have you heard so far?
If you're talking about Jewel's bootlegs... I don't think there are too many
that I've not heard. I get emailed all sorts of stuff... often from Kilcherian strangers.

As for the grammy crap,
I for one don't base my opinion of talent on how many awards an artist has won.

This is the one thing that SERIOUSLY pisses me off about Jewel fans:

When Jewel was collecting gold and platinum for Spirit & POY,
yeah, Kilcherians were braggin from every mountain top on earth about it.

Then, when Jewel releases a mediocre album that doesn't rate too much...
then, the very same Kilcherians change their tune.

They then say that awards and public accolades don't mean too much...
Jewel doesn't make music to satisfy the ignorant masses.

So Tracy... which way do Kilcherians want it... they can't have it both ways.

[Angel_Eyes]

I don't know, because I'm not one of those fans. I personally don't care how many albums an artist has sold or how many awards they won. None of that means ANYTHING to me as long as I like the music. That, is the main thing, and remember, it's only your opinion of whether something is mediocre. It's not fact.

[Intrepid Prez]

it's only your opinion of whether something is mediocre. It's not fact.
My opinion has never been the determaining factor if a record is
judged mediocre or otherwise.

It's the record buying public who'll decide what's mediocre
or worthy of acclaim.

After all, the bottom line is... EVERY artist wants to sell records.
Why else would they make them ???

To remain in obscurity ???


Good try though.

[MrCC]

Originally posted by Intrepid Prez@Jun 20 2005, 04:37 PM
'This Way' was "good"... and... above all... safe.

Trouble is, Craig... no-body ever walked into a music store and asked:
"May I please have some good safe music?".

'This Way' was purchased only by Kilcherians... and... only small
percentage of them.
No 'new music' buyers were looking for 'good, safe music'... they want
(and demand) the BEST.

I always had (and still do) consider 'This Way' as Jewel 'pumping mediocrity
to a loyal fan base'. It was the begining of her downfall.


I've heard Jewel trying out her Janis Joplin impersonation...
I've seen Jewel dancing with Beyonce...
sadly, I've seen Jewel look more like Britney than Britney...

And now you suggest that Jewel be compared to Norah (8 grammies) Jones ???...

Suicide !!!

I am sick and tired watching Jewel die the 'Death of a Thousand Cuts'.



Easy Craig... ;)
Hey I have an extra copy of Norah Jones's CD. Would you like a copy? ;)

[LonelyLullaby]

Also, Stand was a good single but unfortunately people don't like to hear Smart music. Look at Madonna and her Amrican life album. It was reflective of politics and such no ne wanst to listen to that. No one wants to listen to Jewel make politcal satemenst becasue they rather listen to Beyonce talk about her stupid Baby Boy.

My dislike of Stand doesn't have anything to do with her political views, it was just bad- and this is just my opinion- but it seemed like soulless, effortless, cookie-cutter "try-pop-hit"- and it didn't work
There are a lot of people who take political subjects and turn them into songs.. and they don't have any trouble, in fact songs that touch up on the issues of today become more popular and appreciated by the public
It's the music that sucked ^_^
And honestly by your logic you would think that no one sells-out that way they just experience life in a different way ;)
I'm sorry but money does dictate a lot of the career decisions for many artists
And as far as grammys go- I don't base my opinion on an artist based on awards either, but I do think that it's still an achievement

[ShawnShamrock]

You know what!
I want Jewel to realse her album already.
So i don't have to hear all this bs going on here.
This whole topic is nothing but people putting
down people because of their opinions.

This is getting sickening to read. However at the same time it is very entertaining.

On another note. Jewel is in no hurry to relase her next album. So I can't wait to see what other arguments will arise here.

Have a nice day
~Shawn~

[Veilingmeat]

Gaaahh!!! all this poxy grammy talk...its doing my head in :bang:

...all this grammy tripe!!! all these 'artists' :rolleyes: who get given a grammy are on the tv all the damn time and the radio 7 times a day everyday,for 2 months solid,and a new album out every week.

and there acheivment...a spammy grammy,Pfffft for successfuly brainwashing pathetic misfit weak minded lowly zit-ridden scum of outcast prepubescence,in this over the top commercial scourge of this day and age...i mean look for gods sake! a STUPID ringtone by the name of 'crazy frog' made it in to number one here in the uk????????? suppose the guy that made it will be nominated for a grammy!? :huh: huh!? if you ever heard it you'de never want to again.


butt...my point is: :mooner: to the grammy awards...it dont mean nuffin,especialy this day and age its a joke :bunny:

[Craig]

Intrepid Prez says:
"My opinion has never been the determaining factor if a record is
judged mediocre or otherwise.

It's the record buying public who'll decide what's mediocre
or worthy of acclaim.

After all, the bottom line is... EVERY artist wants to sell records.
Why else would they make them ???

To remain in obscurity ???

Good try though."

I find this to be a very naive statement in regards to creativity and art. There are an endless number of artists out there who will never be known and that is not their goal. It is also largely what is wrong with society today. Being more concerend with quantity then quality. News organizations that are more concerned about airing sensationalized stories to grab ratings and viewers with disregard to fact checking and actual journalism.
In the music industry there are artists and entertainers.
The record companies are more concerned with sales than many of the "artists".
Have you seen the documentary about blues legend Screamin' Jay Hawkins called "I Put a Spell on You?"... Director Jim Jarmusch has the best quote in it. "Anything worth anything is always found on the fringe"
When people are more concerned about selling records than their craft and artistry, they should not be in the industry anymore. Try reading "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" if you want to read a great story about quality in life.
Craig
PS- regarding the Grammy's...Veiling Meat...WELL SAID!! :)

[Intrepid Prez]

Well Craig...

It seems that Jewel is pretty naive too... she said in an interview with MTV:

"I'm here to make money for my record company... that's why they keep me around."
(I used that quote under my sig in the old alt.fan.jewel forum)

So, spare me your philosophy ... go tell it to Jewel.

And... before we go any further... let's clear this up... so I know where I stand...
this swapping and changing is pretty confusing... so... I'll repeat this message:

"This is the one thing that SERIOUSLY pisses me off about Jewel fans:

When Jewel was collecting gold and platinum for Spirit & POY,
yeah, Kilcherians were braggin from every mountain top on earth about it.

Then, when Jewel releases a mediocre album that doesn't rate too much...
then, the very same Kilcherians change their tune.

They then say that awards and public accolades don't mean too much...
Jewel doesn't make music to satisfy the ignorant masses."

So Craig... which way do Kilcherians want it... they can't have it both ways.

PS- regarding the Grammy's...Veiling Meat...WELL SAID!! (Craig)
Again... tell that to Jewel... she wanted one for POY... pity Leanne beat her.

[Craig]

Intrepid Prez says:
:dir: "This is the one thing that SERIOUSLY pisses me off about Jewel fans:

When Jewel was collecting gold and platinum for Spirit & POY,
yeah, Kilcherians were braggin from every mountain top on earth about it.

Then, when Jewel releases a mediocre album that doesn't rate too much...
then, the very same Kilcherians change their tune."

Personally I don't know one "Kilcherian" who gives a flying leap, never mind brags from mountaintops, about her going platinum and silver.
I could care less, I am too busy ENJOYING THE MUSIC than being a bean counter. Going platinum and silver are not awards that are voted by her peer artists either, such as the Oscars. They are just recognition for a number sold which again, means NOTHING to me personally.


"Again... tell that to Jewel... she wanted one for POY... pity Leanne beat her."

You are lucky to be privy to the fact Jewel wanted one!! When did she tell you that? I am sure it is flattering to be nominated by your peers but if that is why your are in the business, instead of creating music...again...get out.
Craig :P

[Intrepid Prez]

Then why did she go to the grammies if she'd reckon they were so trivial...
and... then go flashing her tits to anyone who cared to photograph them ???

And... let's get real here... have you ever seen anything as superficial as her grammy dress ???
Umm... seems an odd way to protest or a boycott such meaningless grammy awards.





And wasn't Jewel ever so articulate and 'true to herself' when posing for blender.
She looks so perfectly credible with her legs spread wide (in fishnet stockings)
across the back of a chair.






Give me a break, Craig.

[LonelyLullaby]

Well I'm sorry if I've offended anyone with my views-
Either way I'm done discussing the grammys- that's entirely beside my point and I said what I think about this
But I absolutely agree with you Craig that the best artists are usually buried somewhere and you have to dig them out from the underground while Lindsey Lohan gets a record deal, but

In the music industry there are artists and entertainers.
The record companies are more concerned with sales than many of the "artists".

That's exactly my point- that's exactly why I'm criticizing Jewel and this album- because I think that 0304 was incredibly ingenuine
I think she's tried to turn from an artist into an "entertainer"
Because Britney Spears gets better deals and money

When people are more concerned about selling records than their craft and artistry, they should not be in the industry anymore

And that's exactly what I meant toward Jewel- when I've made a post a long, long time ago- saying that she's changed for me with that album from an artist to someone who's just commercialized her product and tries to sell it to the masses.. I know you don't want this argument to continue, especially because there are people who strongly disagree, but I guess I just got reminded of my own point of view and comment in your post

[Veilingmeat]

Who in the name of hell is Leanne??????? never heard of her in my life

[michaelsjewel]

do people continually forget what jewel said about 0304? good gawd i'm going to just give up my jewel site and even this forum if this 0304 bashing continues!!!!

[Veilingmeat]

Aye true...its all about making an opinion,and then someone slagging off that opinion,and then someone slagging off the opinion of the opinion!!!! :wacko:

[ShawnShamrock]

How long must we continue to bash 0304.
0304 was Realeased like 2 years, 2 weeks ago.
Intuition has been out like 2 months prior to the album.

This topic just gets more and more sickening. Every chance you get you guys are bashing 0304. I loved 0304 It is my favorite album to date.

Let's get on with our lives.
Did you guys here the next album will be called 0607

[LonelyLullaby]

I'm sorry ^_^

[Veilingmeat]

May Peace Remain For Many Years To Come :gve:

[Sasafrass452]

Pauseandplay.com says the new album will be released sept 13th :)

[Veilingmeat]

Hmmm,so it does...but it dont sound very specific!? still a 'To be announced' and it could be delayed,which is more than likely!!!

[LonelyLullaby]

May Peace Remain For Many Years To Come :gve:

Exactly ^_^
And lets hope for September 13th ;)
That's a few days right before my birthday

[Veilingmeat]

Your birthday eh! well all the best until then ay,could be a worthy gift on that great day ;)

[LonelyLullaby]

well thanks ;) and my point exactly